Warhammer 40K CoC 2010 Composition
40K Composition Scoring
Ratio of troop selections to other individual selections
3:1 – 5 pts
2:1 to 2.9:1 – 4 pts
1:1 to 1.9:1 – 2 pts
less then 1:1 – 0 pts
Number of selections that are taken as anything other then as their default choice (For example, Ork Nobs taken as troops, Wraithguard taken as troops, etc.. ).
0– 5 pts
1 – 4 pts
2 - 2 pts
3 or more – 0 pts
Percentage of points spent on vehicles (anything with an armor value)
25% or less – 5 pts
35% to 25.1% - 3 pts
45% to 35.1% – 2 pts
More than 45% – 0 pts
Number of power models in the army (a power model is any single model that costs more than 10% of the available army points).
0 – 1 – 5 pts
2 – 3 pts
More than 2 – 0 points
Army List (army list must list each units war gear/upgrades along with costs, number of units per selection, total number of models, and a breakdown of points and choices by selection.
Army list was created on Army Builder or a spreadsheet, is accurate, and sufficient copies are provided for the tournament judge and all opponents – 5 pts
Army list was created on Army Builder or a spreadsheet, is accurate, but sufficient copies were not provided – 3 pts
Army list was not created using army builder or spreadsheet – 0 pts
Percentage of army points spent on Special characters
13.5 % of less– 5 pts
13.6% to 20%– 3 pts
20.1% to 25% – 2 pts
More than 25%– 0 points
Model Count (divide the tournament army size (TAS) by 20 and 15)
If your model count is <= TAS divided by 20 – 5
If your model count is => TAS divided by 20 and <= TAS divided by 15 – 3
If your model count is > TAS divided by 15 – 0
January 14, 2010 - 9:59 am
How many points is each tournament?
January 14, 2010 - 10:42 am
The first tournament is 1,250 pts and the amount of each subsequent tournament increases by 250 pts. So the second tournament is 1,500 pts and the final tournament is 2,500 pts.
January 14, 2010 - 11:22 am
For the power models, is the whole 5A, S6, ignoring armor one condition or 3?
Also, just to clarify, does this mean that land raiders are not power models?
January 14, 2010 - 11:34 am
First off, the posting was rather rushed last night and there was vigorous debate beforehand. The power model comp item was still being designed when posted so is highly likely to be modified. I personally believe Land Raiders should be power models, but some others don’t. So for the first tournament, Land Raiders will not count as power models.
In answer to your first question that is one criteria, but that comp item is also likely to be modified by the second tournament.
January 14, 2010 - 2:57 pm
Thanks for the response.
So can we participate in any of the tournaments or do we have to be involved at every point level?
How often are the tournaments? Every week or every month?
January 14, 2010 - 3:09 pm
You can attend any or all of the tournaments. Each tournament is self contained and then there is a year long prize. You must attend four of the six tournaments to be eligible for the annual prize. If you attend more than four we drop low scores.
Tournament for 40K are held every other month. So next one after the 23rd will be held in March. There is a sister tournament for Fantasy held every other even month.
January 14, 2010 - 3:35 pm
I guess I shoulda went to the Comp discuss.
Not everyone has a PC with army builder.
So some of us have no chance at getting perfect comp without shelling $500-$1000.
January 14, 2010 - 4:35 pm
Well Vincent, first you don’t have to use Army Builder. You can use a spreadsheet. If you have access to neither you can always ask me to use my version of AB a few days before the tournament. Of course you will have to make your own copies.
January 14, 2010 - 7:37 pm
Why oh why did the model count go to 4%?
50 models max at 1250? Seems absurd.
And no one can play 3 of any non troop category without a comp hit ever?
Seems like these things don’t really do anything besides hurt armies that were already struggling.
January 15, 2010 - 2:36 pm
so wait let me get this straight…. the only good way to get perfect comp is to play mech CSM, this comp hoses my nids to the point of almost not wanting to play or am i just reading this incorrectly?
January 15, 2010 - 4:20 pm
First, if everyone could get perfect comp without any problem there would be no reason for comp. I expect the average comp to be between 25-30. If you are hitting in this range you will be scoring about the same as most other players. If you want to get better than this then you have to make some compromises on your army list. CSM can get perfect comp by simply taking a rhino or two depending on number of troop choices, hardly a debilitaing requirement. Tyranid and Ork horde arrmies are hurt, not because they are too powerful, but because it is no fun for people to play two and three turn games. These rules are designed to discourage people from taking horde armies. If you want to play and army with 200-300 models do it in a friendly game with no time limit.
January 15, 2010 - 4:23 pm
Try to be accurate, you can play up to 125 models without a comp hit. If you want perfect comp, not required or expected, you play 50 models or less in a 1250 pt game or 100 models in a 2500 pt game. As I said before, if anyone playing any army could get perfect comp there would be no purpose for comp.
January 15, 2010 - 10:08 pm
Just seems odd that the Model count pretty much hoses everyone but Mechanized Marines.
Orks break comp with their mandatory 2 troops at max size. Nids are equally screwed… Oh wait they have to take big monsters which screw them while marine players can take Land Raiders with no hit.
Why the jump from 10% to 4%? Was it just me it sure didn’t seem that bad last year. Why not to like 6-7%
Seems like its bring Mech Marines for really good comp. Bring any other army if you want to start with a 5-10 point hit.
January 16, 2010 - 11:37 am
thats what im talking about in a tyranid list
1 your requiring a decent amount of points for troops which screws over nids unless you dump a ton of points into gene stealers…
2 you get boned on the power model comp like crazy cause if you have just plain warriors with toxic sacs and death spitters oh noz there goes more comp.
3 the set up for troops having to be at max size for comp that just bones nids even more cause your penalizing horde armies yet forcing larger troops sizes and the fact that a 10 csm in a rhino counts as 20 for comp is ridiculous.
January 16, 2010 - 11:34 pm
So, I have been really milling over these comp points and they are interesting to say the least. I have developed a bunch of lists the last few days just to see how compy some of my armies can be. Pretty easy to have a balanced marine army at comp in the 1250 range, but what I found interesting is I can also make a full comp or one point loss Eldar army with a large Seer Council on bikes at 1250 which is just straight up mean.
I regret not being able to make the round table, but I played in your fantasy tournament the day before after only getting 2 hours of sleep, so didn’t make the hour drive for the round table. I am not complaining per se, since I will honestly be able to make in the 28-35 ranged with most of my armies at most points levels, I just wanted to point out that you will very well see some really powerful perfect comp armies with some armies and really under powered ‘ok’ comp with others. For me, I think it will be difficult to make a Tau army that doesn’t suffer from the troop comp points, and I think most would agree Tau isn’t an army this comp was trying to restrict.
January 17, 2010 - 3:22 am
Since a spread sheet does not ensure accuracy, I would assume that someone who typed up their list in a spread sheet format would be considered to have met the criteria? I use AB myself.
#12 comment lost me. 125 model army would get 0 points for Model Count category. How is this not a comp hit? The second sentence seems to invalidate the first. Just seeking clarity.
January 17, 2010 - 7:31 am
Taking it in the light that *perfect* comp should be as rare as a perfect paint or perfect sportsmanship, then yes, I agree. As long as every codex can get within a few points of perfect at every points level, then I don’t see the problem. I would like to see the comp tweaked over time though to the point that every codex can reach a perfect comp score at every point value throughout the tournament season.
I will note that I still feel that the maximum squad size is the one area that causes the most problems for certain armies (Necrons and Orks, possibly others). It also seems in contradiction to the goal of comp to reduce horde armies to manageable. For instance, you tell a necron player that he needs to field 3 troops units, but 2 of those units need to be 20 strong, which pushes him to 50+ models by default. If he wants to field more than 1 elite or fast attack, then he needs to have 6 units of warriors, and 3 of them need to be 20 strong, that’s now up to 90+ models. Checking through the costs, it looks like Necrons in particular cannot get perfect at 1250 or 2250.
January 18, 2010 - 8:17 pm
So, a CSM Champion or a Daemond Herald is a special Character/upgrade special Character???
For the Special Characters on COC??
January 19, 2010 - 2:03 pm
Hey guys, the forum is more friendly for this kind of stuff.
http://greatescapegames.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=10
Gary, can we get a link to the CoC forum posted towards the top or bottom of the Comp list?
January 19, 2010 - 5:31 pm
I will see what I can do.
January 22, 2010 - 2:46 pm
What is meant by “squad upgrade special character” ? Is it a character that can be purchased specifically to be attached to a squad, or the various regular sergent style upgrades common among units?
January 25, 2010 - 9:22 pm
Is a Talos considered a power model? Yes it has three wounds… And yes it COULD have 5 or more unsavable attacks on the charge but it could only have 4… It has D6 attacks, meaning on average it would only be getting 3 to 4 attacks on the charge that are unsavable ate strength 7…
Also you said you want to limit horde armies and then umbers they bring… But if they bring vehicles to lower their model count they will take a hit in the comp as well because the vehicles will start adding up to more than 20% of the total army… Seems like your screwed if you do and screwed if you dont..